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Schot · Apr 09, 2005, 06:08 AM // 06:08

Does anyone know if there will be closed servers for the game?
I'm playing Sacred for the moment and we have open and closed servers in this game. With open servers your char data is saved in your pc whereas closed servers your char data is saved in the servers thus preventing many forms of hacks/cheats, if not all.

Manderlock · Apr 09, 2005, 07:16 AM // 07:16

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Originally Posted by Schot

Does anyone know if there will be closed servers for the game?
I'm playing Sacred for the moment and we have open and closed servers in this game. With open servers your char data is saved in your pc whereas closed servers your char data is saved in the servers thus preventing many forms of hacks/cheats, if not all.

i would think that they are considered closed servers, but closed servers mean nothing to me. just look at d2 lod

IceD'Bear · Apr 09, 2005, 08:29 AM // 08:29

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Originally Posted by Schot

Does anyone know if there will be closed servers for the game?

Everything is saved on the server, so you can't edit your 'save files'.
Also, each of your actions (walking, attacking, casting, etc, etc) is verified by the server, so you can't do anything that you're not allowed to do.
The data the servers sends you is the bare minimum you have to know, so things like maphack are out of question (and you got the radar anyway

).

BunnyMaster · Apr 09, 2005, 09:34 AM // 09:34

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Originally Posted by Sausaletus Rex

they'll need an EULA, documentation, warnings, and all the rest. They'll need to police things to make sure that what's unacceptable isn't allowed

Agree. I totally agree.

If you want to stop things like botting etc., you should have made it clear that it isn't allowed. Therefor there should've been an EULA or TOS or whatever you wanna call it.

To ensure that ppl will follow the rules set by Anet, the rules should be:
- understandable
Since it's an US company (or so I believe, pls correct if I'm wrong), they should use English and have proper translators translate them in other languages.
- read in only ONE way
One of my old games had a TOS you could do anything with. It even contained the phrase: "If you violate the TOS, you MAY be banned."
- measurable
Define the terms you're using. Don't say that using bots will get you kicked. A phrase like "Using third party programs that can take over InGame-functions will result in banning your char."
- have consequences
Rules have consequences, breaking the rules is facing consequences. And Anet, pls be consistent in this. When two ppl break the same rule, they will have the same punishment. Again referring to one of my old games:"GM has good day, you lucky. No punishment, but don't break rule again mkay?"
- uphold by certain individuals
Install GM / Admin / Godlike Creatures that will check if players are not violating the rules and that punish them if they do.

I'm really looking forward to the EULA / TOS to see what they made of it

Brett Kuntz · Apr 10, 2005, 05:12 PM // 17:12

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Originally Posted by Weezer_Blue

Arena.Net has commented on cheating and hacking and exploiting countless times. No. There will bo no cheats, hacks, exploits, or any other form of unfair victories in Guild Wars.

There's already pvp hacks that give guilds unfair advantage, and they haven't been patched..

Loviatar · Apr 10, 2005, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by kunt0r

There's already pvp hacks that give guilds unfair advantage, and they haven't been patched..

actual examples?

hopefully taken care of by retail

Brett Kuntz · Apr 10, 2005, 05:26 PM // 17:26

I already posted up an exact description awhile ago (not on this forum), and it still works great.

What people don't realize, it the best hacks for games are never released, they're kept secret within a small group of friends, or even two people. If the community is oblivious to it, and it's not noticible like speedhack-noticible, prepare to get away with it for the rest of your life, plus tax.

Adaria · Apr 10, 2005, 05:58 PM // 17:58

Cheating will just ruin GW, I've cheated for years on console games, and on DII admittedly to try it out and such, but it was boring, online play for me is clean, and always will be.

I'm cutting off my cheating as much as possible lately, it just isn't fun to cheat anymore on anything. You beat everything, then what challenge is next? Nothing.

It is going to be very dissapointing if there are a few guilds or what not who manage to find cracks for Guild Wars and start cheating, but Hopefully A-Net can stop it, as much fun as cheating is sometimes, it just isn't worth it here, its more fun to just join a group of friends and have at it. Sure you might die alot, I sure did last BWE, when trying to take on the Charr behind the northern wall in Pre-Searing Ascalon, but it helped build my character up quite a bit, and hopefully this time around if we can get a couple more people, we'll have even more fun back there.

Lets just see how long GW can withstand the cheaters wrath, because it won't last forever cheat-free, somehow someone will find SOME way to ruin it, but hopefully not...

Oh yeah, btw, thats really sad that there are already hacks and the game isnt' even released yet... tsk, tsk, tsk...

I want to do some PvP, but not if I'm going to get my bottom beaten to a bloody pulp every time... o.o;

Legato Bluesummers · Apr 10, 2005, 09:07 PM // 21:07

I say only people who hack are the kinda ppl who are weak and cant play fair like the rest of us. i litterally beat the crap outa a guy that i played D2 with because he hacked.

Perishiko ReLLiK · Apr 10, 2005, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by Legato Bluesummers

I say only people who hack are the kinda ppl who are weak and cant play fair like the rest of us. i litterally beat the crap outa a guy that i played D2 with because he hacked.

Well... D2 was also an easy-to-hack sort of game, whats even better about guild wars, is that it's even more of a "skill" related game, where... if you suck at the game, it doesnt matter what you have,... d2 had elite items... nearly everyone had the same things through the whole time... there might be hacks in guild wars, such as... auto healing, having a monk who will heal anyone who needs to heal, with the help of a computer program... it's cheating, but still, any "human" player can still have a chance, besides, arenanet is going to "Have" to make this game good, since it's their first (not to mention the no monthly fee), so im sure they will be on their feet with trying to counter all the cheating... but this by no means is saying that there arent "solo" hackers, who won't tell their secrets to anyone, and won't get caught.

Manderlock · Apr 10, 2005, 09:33 PM // 21:33

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Originally Posted by Perishiko ReLLiK

Well... D2 was also an easy-to-hack sort of game, whats even better about guild wars, is that it's even more of a "skill" related game, where... if you suck at the game, it doesnt matter what you have,... d2 had elite items... nearly everyone had the same things through the whole time... there might be hacks in guild wars, such as... auto healing, having a monk who will heal anyone who needs to heal, with the help of a computer program... it's cheating, but still, any "human" player can still have a chance, besides, arenanet is going to "Have" to make this game good, since it's their first (not to mention the no monthly fee), so im sure they will be on their feet with trying to counter all the cheating... but this by no means is saying that there arent "solo" hackers, who won't tell their secrets to anyone, and won't get caught.

before the .10 patch many people didnt have the same stuff. when thy nerfed the rares is when everyone had to where the same stuff.

i do think that it will be harder for people to hack this game, meaning that hackers will not want to make a hack public only to be fixed through streamlining tech. this means that the hacker will keep it for himself or a few friends and at least the script kiddies wont be running rampant like they where in d2 lod. (i dont agree with hacking, but this will at least keep it in the vast minority)

whiskas · Apr 10, 2005, 10:57 PM // 22:57

They have an article on gamespy about bots used in Star Wars Galaxies, its well worth the read: http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/aug...pg/index.shtml

It proves that a bot in GW is definately possible.

DarkWasp · Apr 10, 2005, 11:30 PM // 23:30

No need to worry Its server side, so that reduces the hackablity by 90% or so.

mbecker · Apr 10, 2005, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by whiskas

They have an article on gamespy about bots used in Star Wars Galaxies, its well worth the read: http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/aug...pg/index.shtml

It proves that a bot in GW is definately possible.

Lol, solid proof indeed. I laughed quite hard at said article. Thanks for the link. The only problem again is with the motivation of botting. Botting mostly spawns from personal gain and from what I can see of GWs getting to level 20 (WAhoo!!) and getting tons of... useless money, and exciting new dyes? I dunno, there doesn't seem to be a lot of area for eBaying etc.

Manderlock · Apr 11, 2005, 12:08 AM // 00:08

if someone where to bot and gain skill points then they will be able to use the gold they get form botting for buying skills. an easy way to gain all the skills in the game.

still think there is no reason to bot?

Loviatar · Apr 11, 2005, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by Manderlock

if someone where to bot and gain skill points then they will be able to use the gold they get form botting for buying skills. an easy way to gain all the skills in the game.

still think there is no reason to bot?

at least they wont be selling them on ebay

Manderlock · Apr 11, 2005, 12:14 AM // 00:14

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

at least they wont be selling them on ebay

lol lets not get into the ebay war agin

Varggoth · Apr 11, 2005, 12:26 AM // 00:26

See it takes money to realy make good defenses vs bots/cheaters so where is guildwars gonna get it since there is no monthly pay im just wondering i realy hope a good game like this doesnt get ruined. Theres are many ways a person can ruin the economy gold is guildwars economy atleast in the beta. If gold wasnt worth anything then people would want rare items or something not easy to get. I dunno i realy like it when gold is actually worth something or tehre arent hacked weapons, items, skills.

DarkWasp · Apr 11, 2005, 12:28 AM // 00:28

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Originally Posted by whiskas

They have an article on gamespy about bots used in Star Wars Galaxies, its well worth the read: http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/aug...pg/index.shtml

It proves that a bot in GW is definately possible.

Bots yes, are very possible, hacks are differnt, hacks are when the player can modify his skill directly or steal stuff from trade.

No matter what security system you have, Bots/Autoers will find there way in.

They can however be taken to justice if the players help and report suspicous being so that they can be monitored.

Manderlock · Apr 11, 2005, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by DarkWasp

Bots yes, are very possible, hacks are differnt, hacks are when the player can modify his skill directly or steal stuff from trade.

No matter what security system you have, Bots/Autoers will find there way in.

They can however be taken to justice if the players help and report suspicous being so that they can be monitored.

so we start a witch hunt?

it will be hard to program a bot for this game, and once a type of bot is found then it can be killed. so agin i think that if the boters and hackers are smart they will keep it hidden, if not then they lose there baby.

Apr 10, 2005, 09:07 PM // 21:07	#89
Legato Bluesummers Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2005	.... I say only people who hack are the kinda ppl who are weak and cant play fair like the rest of us. i litterally beat the crap outa a guy that i played D2 with because he hacked.

Apr 11, 2005, 12:26 AM // 00:26	#98
Varggoth Banned Join Date: Mar 2005	See it takes money to realy make good defenses vs bots/cheaters so where is guildwars gonna get it since there is no monthly pay im just wondering i realy hope a good game like this doesnt get ruined. Theres are many ways a person can ruin the economy gold is guildwars economy atleast in the beta. If gold wasnt worth anything then people would want rare items or something not easy to get. I dunno i realy like it when gold is actually worth something or tehre arent hacked weapons, items, skills. Last edited by Varggoth; Apr 11, 2005 at 12:29 AM // 00:29..

Apr 09, 2005, 06:08 AM // 06:08	#81
Schot Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2005	Does anyone know if there will be closed servers for the game? I'm playing Sacred for the moment and we have open and closed servers in this game. With open servers your char data is saved in your pc whereas closed servers your char data is saved in the servers thus preventing many forms of hacks/cheats, if not all.

Apr 10, 2005, 05:26 PM // 17:26	#87
Brett Kuntz Core Guru Join Date: Feb 2005	I already posted up an exact description awhile ago (not on this forum), and it still works great. What people don't realize, it the best hacks for games are never released, they're kept secret within a small group of friends, or even two people. If the community is oblivious to it, and it's not noticible like speedhack-noticible, prepare to get away with it for the rest of your life, plus tax.

Apr 10, 2005, 05:58 PM // 17:58	#88
Adaria Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Florida Guild: Wayward Wanderers Profession: E/Mo	Cheating will just ruin GW, I've cheated for years on console games, and on DII admittedly to try it out and such, but it was boring, online play for me is clean, and always will be. I'm cutting off my cheating as much as possible lately, it just isn't fun to cheat anymore on anything. You beat everything, then what challenge is next? Nothing. It is going to be very dissapointing if there are a few guilds or what not who manage to find cracks for Guild Wars and start cheating, but Hopefully A-Net can stop it, as much fun as cheating is sometimes, it just isn't worth it here, its more fun to just join a group of friends and have at it. Sure you might die alot, I sure did last BWE, when trying to take on the Charr behind the northern wall in Pre-Searing Ascalon, but it helped build my character up quite a bit, and hopefully this time around if we can get a couple more people, we'll have even more fun back there. Lets just see how long GW can withstand the cheaters wrath, because it won't last forever cheat-free, somehow someone will find SOME way to ruin it, but hopefully not... Oh yeah, btw, thats really sad that there are already hacks and the game isnt' even released yet... tsk, tsk, tsk... I want to do some PvP, but not if I'm going to get my bottom beaten to a bloody pulp every time... o.o;

Apr 10, 2005, 10:57 PM // 22:57	#92
whiskas Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2005	They have an article on gamespy about bots used in Star Wars Galaxies, its well worth the read: http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/aug...pg/index.shtml It proves that a bot in GW is definately possible.

Apr 10, 2005, 11:30 PM // 23:30	#93
DarkWasp Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Paradise Guild: Agency Of Forbidden Fruits [Oot] Profession: R/A	No need to worry Its server side, so that reduces the hackablity by 90% or so.

Apr 11, 2005, 12:08 AM // 00:08	#95
Manderlock Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: TX Guild: Crimson ScS Profession: W/N	if someone where to bot and gain skill points then they will be able to use the gold they get form botting for buying skills. an easy way to gain all the skills in the game. still think there is no reason to bot?